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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

There are few Christians in Afghanistan because preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ there has been, for all practical purposes, outlawed by those who hold to the teachings of radical Islam.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

You are full of your own importance. It's a shame you don't have the courage to stay here

More personal insuts. So typical. Funny when I quoted Christ's words, which understandably some people took offence to, I was jumped all over. and I continue to be for having done so, even though I apologized more than once. But when one of your own here directs the most fowl language to me and my God no unbeliever here is offended at all. Instead some here actually say they agree with his comments. Your lack of critisism and that of others for his comments has convinced me that you are not people I want to spend any more time with.

You have not the slightest idea that there are very powerful arguments against your worldview.

Baloney. I spent years as an agostic reviewing every critisism there is against the Christian faith. In my earlier very lengthy response I already dealt with several of your side's common criticisms, including the age of the universe, evolution, and the supposed fall of man. There is not a single argument against my worldview that I have not already read or heard and found lacking.

you even boasted you had a knock-down argument to support your faith. It turned out to be contrived, esoteric numerology.

More baloney. As I told you, as demonstrated by the book, Who Built The Moon?, atheists possessing the same kind of evidence that I have here presented to you found themselves having to admit that the moon must have been intelligently designed and constucted. But as I have shown, since the same numbers that they saw clearly appearing in the design of the moon appear just as often in the design of the sun, both the sun and moon must have been intelligntly designed by the same designer. I know of no one else who could design and build a sun and a moon but a God.

The only difference I see between you and the atheists who wrote Who Built The Moon? is that they were honest enough to admit the fact that very clear signs of intellignt design exist in the moon's (and I would add sun's) design. But you refuse to admit this. Because you know that to do so would be to admit that there exists clear evidence for the existence of God. For you know that any other explanation you could come up with (like spacemen or time travelers from Earth's future) would sound even less credible than "God." So your only refuge is to continue to insist that you see nothing. And I suspect you probably don't. For there are none so blind as those who will not see.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

Far from it. I just no longer see any point in wasting my time talking to people who call my Father filthy names and offer nothing of any value to this discussion. You for instance are a perfect example of this. You have contributed absolutely nothing of any substance to this thread. Only lame jokes and insults. If you had any decency and courage you would have told Farkel off for his comments. But you didn't stand up to him. And I doubt any others like you here will either. So who is the coward? What a spiritual and intellectual wasteland this place is! Shaking the dust off my feet.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

You never mentioned about WHY Jesus Christ had to give his life to buy us God's forgiveness for our sins, or why his Dad is such a shitty asshole

You people remind me of a man claiming to be thirsty and begging all who pass him by for water. But whenever someone gives him some water all he ever does is complain about the quality and the quanity of the water and viciously attack all those who believed his false claims to be thirsty.

I mentioned before that Christ told his followers not to discuss sacred things with people who they can see have no appreciation for sacred things. Christ also asked his followers, "Why do you call me Lord if you do not do what I say?"

I will now follow his instructions. Too bad. This board really needed some balance.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

Ann,

I did not say that Knight and Butler used the words "about 400 years" in regards to how often on average total solar eclipses can be seen from any spot on Earth. But many other written works do. For instance, The Sun: Our Star, by Robert Noyes, Harvard University Press, in my library, uses those words in this regard. Or you could just have clicked on the link I originally provided on this in my original post on this topic: http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/htmlsite/1008/1008_feature.html

Or try this one: http://www.rmg.co.uk/explore/astronomy-and-time/astronomy-facts/faqs/when-will-the-next-solar-or-lunar-eclipse-take-place

So I am confident that "about 400 years" is a fairly accurate statement. But providing you with an absolute "exact" indisputable figure on this may not be possible.

Here is an article which says "375 years." http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/htmlsite/1008/1008_feature.html

Knight and Butler are not by any means eclipse experts. Their "360" number may be from an old study.

The most thorough discussion of this matter I have found is one in the book. Eclipse, by Duncun Steel, with a forward by the cosmologist Paul Davies. Steel"s estimate is "410 years" http://www.scribd.com/doc/88615592/Eclipse-Duncan-Steel I have seen this same number referenced in Totality - Eclipses of the Sun, by Littman and Wilcox, and in Sky and Telescope magazine.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

My posting limit has been reached for the day.

Xan, thanks for the advise. I assure you I will soon follow it.

I really didn't think I would convince any atheists of God's existence with my meager posts here. I only hoped to plant some seeds. Maybe God will make them grow.

Giordano, They also left open the possibility that space aliens might have built our moon. But not God!

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

Cofty,

It's just too easy to find numerical patterns wherever we look for them.

I didn't find them. They were pointed out to me by several different atheistic astronomers, all writing different articles about solar eclipses. Read some of these articles for yourself. They all use phrases like "in a coincidence unmatched in the solar system" and "in a serendipitous relationship unlike any other in nature" our earth just happens to have a sun exactly 400 times the size of our moon and also about 400 times as far away.

Just as an example you make the point that the moon's diameter is 400 times smaller than the sun. So what?

Maybe you should ask all the astronomers who write all those articles about solar eclipses that question.

Apart from anything else Jesus specified what the signs in sun moon and stars would be.

I guess I must have missed that part of the Bible.

you have quoted a lot of information that you then go on to reject. Perhaps you could state succinctly what points you do find compelling.

The reason I referenced Knight and Butlers book, Who Built The Moon?, is not because I found all of their arguments that the moon must have been inteligently designed to be convincing. I referenced their book to show that even some atheists believe that the moon must have been inteligently designed, due mainly to the 400s which all astronomers admit appear readily to their minds every time they see a solar eclipse. Those are the same points that I find most compelleng. 400 X diameter + 400 X distance produces solar elipses. Which appear on average over any one spot on earth "about every 400 years." That along with the sun and full moon's relative brightness, a virtually exact 400,000 figure. These things taken together with the Bible's frequently using the numbers 4, 40 and 400 in symbolic reference to Christ. .... And Bible chronology indicating that exactly 4,000 years passed between Adam and Christ.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

An argument could be made that if God wanted to really blow us away and wow us, He could have made the number correlations exact,

Actually it appears that he did make some of them exact. As I pointed out, " The moon and the sun's most commonly published diameter measurements in miles are 2,160 and 864,000 respectively which equals a ratio of exactly 400.00."

And I wrote that, " according to the World Almanac and many other reference works, 'our sun is 400,000 times as bright as the full moon.' Amazingly, this brightness magnitude ratio of four hundred thousand appears to be an exact, or virtually exact, number."

I believe God provides all who are willing to serve him with enough evidence of his existence to give them the faith they need to do so. I also believe that God will never provide someone who is unwilling to serve him with so much evidence of his existence that they cannot choose to deny his existence.

God could have certainly designed every one of these 400s to be an exact number. But then we would all be forced to acknowledge his existence and our obligation to serve him right now. But that would defeat God's own stated purpose. For the Bible tells us that God has chosen to save that time, a time when "every knee will bend" to him, for Judgment Day.

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

Bohm,

The words you just took from my post are words that were not written by me. I clearly indentified them as having been written by Knighyt and Butler in their book, Who Built The Moon? I quoted their words only to illustrate the kind of things you can expect to read in their book.

I later clearly stated that, " I believe they did sometimes engage in .... numerical gymnastics. So I am not here enthusiastically endorsing their book. The authors had many pages to fill, and in my opinion they didn't have enough really good material to fill them with."

I would put that passage which I quoted from their book, which you just repeated, into the catagory of 'not really good material.'

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How I recently handled JWs at my door

by Christian guy in

the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

Christian guy

Besty,

You asked me, "what religion would you have been had you been born in afghanistan? you see what i'm saying right?"

No, not really. The answer seems obvious. I would probably be a Moslem. But what is your point?

Maybe you are saying I only believe as I now do because I was born in a largely Christian nation. Well, I admit that fact certainly helped me find the faith I now have. But again, I don't see what you are getting at.

Maybe you are saying that it is highly unlikely that my belief system is valid since it is only held by about one third of the people in the world. Or that the claims of Christians cannot be true since two thirds of people do not accept them.

I'm sorry. I don't get what you mean. I guess you will have to tell me.